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Old 11/18/2007, 05:28 AM   #1
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1968 High Country Special $$$???

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I've p/u a 1968 HCS. I'm curious to what these cars are worth in any condition.
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Old 11/18/2007, 07:26 AM   #2
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Going to need some more details. Engine? Options? Condition? Verified through Marti Report?

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Old 11/18/2007, 06:27 PM   #3
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68 Hcs

I got one too,and it is in the gallaries, where do you located? I am in Los Angeles
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Old 11/18/2007, 09:34 PM   #4
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Going to need some more details. Engine? Options? Condition? Verified through Marti Report?

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Hi. Thanks for checking out my question. I've posted information on my page.
The car is a 1968 HCS. It's D5 acapulco blue, 6B decor blue buckets, 289 2v, C4 Cruise o matic trans., 2.79 axle, 51 Denver District, P/s, P/b, Upeer and lower console. Built 12/67 in San Jose, CA. Good condition needing floor and some assembly. All parts are with the car to complete. Did all 1968 HCS's come with the hood pins and fog lights? This car dosen't have either one.
I'm curious to what this could be worth in as is condition and totally restored.
I've posted a picture in my gallery.

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Old 11/18/2007, 09:36 PM   #5
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I got one too,and it is in the gallaries, where do you located? I am in Los Angeles
Hi. This car is located in New York.
A long way from it's original home in Denver Co.
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Old 11/18/2007, 10:31 PM   #6
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I wasn't aware they made any HCS cars that early (12/67). Bob Teets...what do you think?

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Old 11/18/2007, 11:03 PM   #7
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I wasn't aware they made any HCS cars that early (12/67).
Yeah, that's too early. The HCS cars were built in June & July '68.

Joe (1968 HCS) I would order a Marti report to verify that it's an HCS. To answer your hood lock and fog light question, yes they all came that way from the factory.

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Old 11/18/2007, 11:20 PM   #8
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I wasn't aware they made any HCS cars that early (12/67). Bob Teets...what do you think?

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NO brainer here, as far as I'm concerned. Ford DIDN'T produce ANY '68 HCS Mustangs until June of '68. Why the heck don't you post a vin number? And/or the complete vin info from the door tag AND the windshield tag letters and number. I see in your picture gallery that your car does have a HCS decal on the rt. side scoop, but that doesn't mean SQUAT. No lamps and no hood locks??? Come on, I hate to burst any bubbles, but I don't know if even a Cal Sp. was built that early ie. 12/67???????? Talk to us some more, huh? Bob Teets here. What do the rest of you people have to say???
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Old 11/19/2007, 12:31 PM   #9
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If the floor pans are rusted, best be checking the cowl vent(s) for leaks. What's the VIN# ?
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Old 11/19/2007, 01:27 PM   #10
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Hi. Thanks for checking out my question. I've posted information on my page.
The car is a 1968 HCS. It's D5 acapulco blue, 6B decor blue buckets, 289 2v, C4 Cruise o matic trans., 2.79 axle, 51 Denver District, P/s, P/b, Upeer and lower console. Built 12/67 in San Jose, CA. Good condition needing floor and some assembly. All parts are with the car to complete. Did all 1968 HCS's come with the hood pins and fog lights? This car dosen't have either one.
I'm curious to what this could be worth in as is condition and totally restored.
I've posted a picture in my gallery.

Thanks for your help,
Joe
Hi Joe,
First off, Welcome to the site!! I see you're new here!

You'll find a lot of good information on the site as you may have already noticed. Check all the sections, not just the forums for info and and there plenty of us here on the forums that can help out too.

We'll do our best to answer your questions. But we need some more info on the car.

If you could post the VIN number and data tag info that would be helpful. While that can't confirm a car is an HCS or GT/CS it could help us figure out if it isn't.
Only a Marti Report can confirm if it's truly an original HCS or GT/CS from the factory.
(excluding original build sheets or original owners)

Do you have a Marti Report for the car?
Are you familiar with them?

Where did you get the Build Date and DSO and other info from? It seems like from a Marti report but please confirm.

If you have a report, do you have the ability to scan in the report and post it? Or maybe take a picture of it and post it?

If you can supply us with some additional info we'll try to answer your questions and help you confirm if it's a true HCS or not. Without all the info it's difficult to assist.

By the way - where about are you in NY? I'm in NY as well.

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Old 11/19/2007, 04:56 PM   #11
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Hi Joe,
First off, Welcome to the site!! I see you're new here!

You'll find a lot of good information on the site as you may have already noticed. Check all the sections, not just the forums for info and and there plenty of us here on the forums that can help out too.

We'll do our best to answer your questions. But we need some more info on the car.

If you could post the VIN number and data tag info that would be helpful. While that can't confirm a car is an HCS or GT/CS it could help us figure out if it isn't.
Only a Marti Report can confirm if it's truly an original HCS or GT/CS from the factory.
(excluding original build sheets or original owners)

Do you have a Marti Report for the car?
Are you familiar with them?

Where did you get the Build Date and DSO and other info from? It seems like from a Marti report but please confirm.

If you have a report, do you have the ability to scan in the report and post it? Or maybe take a picture of it and post it?

If you can supply us with some additional info we'll try to answer your questions and help you confirm if it's a true HCS or not. Without all the info it's difficult to assist.

By the way - where about are you in NY? I'm in NY as well.
To all & Broadway Blue

Thanks for all or your responses to my questions.

As far for the no brainer from previous responses I've only owned the car for 10 days so bear with me as the infomation requests unfold.

From what I know of this car is that it's second owner was a young college student in Connecticut and wasn't very resposible since the car was traded for his boarding fees while attending college. This could explain why the hood and fog lights are missing. Possibly he sold them or was in an accident at one point in time.
The Vin number is as follows 8 R 0 1 C 1 1 6 6 1 3

This car has the Shelby taillights, fiberglass trunk and molded spolier. Also I did notice is that the striping on the rear spolier goes around the Mustang emblem. Not across the top edge like with the California Specials. Like I mentioned I'm new to this car so please bear with me.

The report isn't a Marti but it's been trasferered with the car from the second or third owner. I do plan on ordering this report.
There is a 15M next to the scheduled for build date of December 15, 1967
The car was sold thru:
Hover Motors Inc
2985 Federal Blvd.
Denver, CO 80211

I'll post the rest of the numbers that forum members have asked for tomorrow since the weather is terrible and the car is wrapped up like a sausage.
Thanks again for all of your help.

Broadway Blue thanks for your help.
The car is now located on Long Island, NY
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Old 11/19/2007, 06:59 PM   #12
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The VIN is consistent with a car built in December 67. However, it's just too early to be a HCS. The Marti Report could prove that wrong, but not likely. When you order the Marti Report you can ask them to FAX it to you the same day for a slight extra charge. Get a deluxe report, they have more information. Good luck and let us know what you find out.

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Old 11/19/2007, 07:34 PM   #13
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Joe,
Welcome to the site! I have an early January car that is out of sorts with the normal dates for production for a GT/CS. There is another car nearly identical to mine built 2 days later. Both cars are Anniversary Gold and are mentioned in Paul Newitt’s book as a possible early introduction of cars to the Northwest that may have been pulled of the line and assembled later. Its VIN is 8R01J123143.

Your car is certainly earlier than that. I noticed one 67 HCS in the registry that is a June car, but the owner says it has recessed reflector lights. That was a 68 production item. Not sure of the accuracy of this car in the registry, but I will not doubt the owners honesty. So is your car some sort of a “leftover” 67 built in 68, that may be a 67 HCS?? Stranger things have happened!!

So stay patient and order the Marti report. It is another reference to the authenticity of your car and respected by all as the end proof. I myself am not so sure that it is the “end all” of the authenticity of a car. As Rich so properly said, build sheets and original owners have a bit to say on the true authenticity of a car. Try to trace the owners backwards. I am doing that for my car and the other nearly identical one.

This site will tell you the best to our ability of what appears normal, but continue on your quest. Bob and others have painstakeingly researched these cars. You may have some sort of a transition car. Who knows? Other items to look at are paint on the side scoops or trunk and taillight panel that may be under the current paint that are another color. If the hood locks are gone are the receptors still on the radiator brace? Check the sheetmetal codes on various panels. They are all over the place on the fender aprons or in the trough for the trunk lid on the quarters. The steering box has a date tag. Most cars that have never been hurt bad have date codes that are within a couple weeks or the same day. Check under the carpets for a paper build sheet. An abbreviated VIN should be on the back of the block on the ledge behind the intake manifold. The same abbreviated VIN could be on the top of the automatic at the rear of the forward case.

None of this proves authenticity, but if enough stuff starts to NOT match, it may have been assembled. At the same time engines, tranny’s and hoods can be replaced.

Who knows, you may have stumbled onto one rare car? Let the quest begin!! It can be fun in its own right.

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Hi again Joe!

Don't worry about being new to the CS and HCS world of Mustangs. Most of here were newbies at some point. We're all just trying to assist to get the info you're searching for. As you have already read it's not a black and white answer without the reports or other documentation or numbers, etc.
That's why everyone was asking for that info.

As people have mentioned there has been a lot of research done to identify production timelines and other information. The dates you quoted would initially indicate that it's not a factory High Country Special (HCS).
But stranger things have happened.

So yes, it's possible this wasn't an original factory HCS or CS for that matter. In time we'll help you figure it out one way or another. You came to the right place for information on these cars.

For your sake, I hope you weren't lead down the wrong path by the seller. I'm pretty sure I can speak for the others here that they feel the same way.
We all are very vigilant in making sure these cars are represented properly every chance we get, whether being sold, bought or anywhere else. Sometimes we're pretty exuberant in our efforts as you have experienced. Nothing personal.
You purchased what we assume you were told was a High Country Special.
For all we know the prior owner was told that as well. So let's do the research and go from there.

At this point you've bought the car and whatever the outcome it's your choice to make on what to do with the car.

We've seen everything from people finding out they didn't buy an authentic car and I believe enjoyed the car as a clone. And I think we've seen people that have actually had a High Country Special that was restored to a California Special. So there are all different scenarios.

"Also I did notice is that the striping on the rear spolier goes around the Mustang emblem. Not across the top edge like with the California Specials."
I'm not sure what you meant about the stripes. I'd be curious to see pictures of this.

I'm not sure what the report you have is. It sounds a lot like the info on a Deluxe Marti Report but I'm guessing it doesn't say on it anywhere that it's a Marti Report.

Some of that info is on the Ford Customer Assistance Center History 999 report, but I didn't think the dealer was listed on those.

Could it be an original invoice or build sheet of some type (anyone?)
Again - seeing this would really help if that's possible.

I think the 15M indicates December 15th. The M indicates December. I think the months were indicated as A=Jan, B=Feb, etc ... if I remember right they skipped "I" so it wasn't confused with a "1". So that makes M the 12th month.

You haven't said if you're familiar with Mustangs or older cars for that matter so if anything anyone has asked for doesn't make sense, don't hesitate to ask! Like I said we were all newbies at some point (well most of us at least )

I can't tell you how many times I needed an explanation on how to find the VIN number on the back of the engine block. I even asked for sample pictures. I thought I had to take half the engine apart to find it. Once I found it I felt silly asking so many times but hey now I can explain it to someone else.

I live in Dutchess County and work in Westchester County so we're not too far apart.

Good Luck!!

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