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Old 01/20/2009, 04:48 PM   #1
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Hello all,
first off I must appologize if i've posted this question in the wrong section.
Soon I'll be posting pics and progress reports of my Green Hornet tribute.
So far it's been a slow process as amassing the parts needed has been quite a lenghty and expensive process. Nevertheless it's full steam ahead :)

I've spent the past few weeks trying to figure out if the GH has air conditioning. The interior shots clearly show the drivers side AC controls but any engine bay picture that I have shows the motor without AC.

I've posted two pics and was hoping that I could get the opinions of the members. What do you guys think? Is it possible to run a non-AC car using
AC controls? Or, is the control I'm looking at for non-AC?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
thanks so much!
Stan in Vancouver
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Old 01/20/2009, 05:49 PM   #2
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Good question, I do not see an air conditioning compressor.
My guess is that the car body in question was an air conditioned car prior to the Green Hornet conversion, and so it remains.


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The above is a very nice quality reproduction.

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Old 01/20/2009, 06:49 PM   #3
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Non-AC cars use cables to operate the various heater controls, while the controls on AC cars are vacuum operated and routed through a vacuum can under the passenger front fender.
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Old 01/20/2009, 10:19 PM   #4
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Good question, I do not see an air conditioning compressor.
My guess is that the car body in question was an air conditioned car prior to the Green Hornet conversion, and so it remains.


http://www.cougarpartscatalog.com/68mustangackit.html
The above is a very nice quality reproduction.
wow, wow...wow.
Those repos are spectacular!
When I'm ready to install what will be a non-functioning smog system (i'm going to do it purely for cloning of the GH's engine) I'll be sure to contact you for the parts that I'll need. Don't throw out any wrecked pumps! I'll be needing one :)

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Old 01/20/2009, 10:20 PM   #5
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Non-AC cars use cables to operate the various heater controls, while the controls on AC cars are vacuum operated and routed through a vacuum can under the passenger front fender.
Fantastic. Thank you so much for this info. It means that I'll be faced with a challenging task: converting the AC controls to a cable type system....boy this is getting fun

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Old 01/21/2009, 12:41 AM   #6
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...Wrecked pump? I do have one if all you need is the "look".

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Old 01/21/2009, 09:14 AM   #7
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...Wrecked pump? I do have one if all you need is the "look".
Well, by "wrecked" i meant non functioning :)
If you have one that you want to sell then I'd definately be interested.
Is the pump for an FE motor?
Thanks Tim

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...Yes, mine is non functioning, but looks fine. It's off of a '68 289 motor however...
I would be happy to give it to you if interested. Let me know & I'll post a pic tonite after work.

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Old 01/21/2009, 11:11 AM   #9
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If you've got all the AC stuff already in the dash, why not just complete the system and have AC in the car?? Firewall forward requires expansion valve, water/heater control valve, compressor (either orig one lunger type or newer rotary type),condensor, drier, and lines. All readily available, and it sure makes driving on hot days comfy.

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Old 01/21/2009, 11:40 AM   #10
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...Yes, mine is non functioning, but looks fine. It's off of a '68 289 motor however...
I would be happy to give it to you if interested. Let me know & I'll post a pic tonite after work.

That would be fantastic if you could post a pic! I'll do some searching to see if there is a difference between the 289 and 390/428 pumps.
Thanks again!
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Old 01/21/2009, 11:56 AM   #11
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If you've got all the AC stuff already in the dash, why not just complete the system and have AC in the car?? Firewall forward requires expansion valve, water/heater control valve, compressor (either orig one lunger type or newer rotary type),condensor, drier, and lines. All readily available, and it sure makes driving on hot days comfy.

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Neil, I seriously thought about it as air conditioning in Vancouver is quite necessary
Actually our summers do get quite warm here.
I'm trying to make this car as close as possible to the real thing.
I don't mind a few steath mods (such as remote doors and windows) but adding aircon is just too visable.
But who knows?
Thanks for your time.
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Old 01/21/2009, 12:10 PM   #12
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Rather than modify the controls, why not use the controls from a non A/C car? The center dash piece is just an insert and you might have to replace the right side dash insert also. I'm not certain how it attaches on a stock car.

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Depending on what is under the dash - if the vent/heater components are the non AC system, then you gotta use the cable type control panel. IF it has the AC type system under the dash, then I believe you could stick with the vacuum controls on the AC control panel in the car.
BUT - if you want to be 100% as original, then you must go with the non AC configuration, meaning the cable type control panel & appropriate under-dash components.

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Old 01/21/2009, 07:21 PM   #14
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Depending on what is under the dash - if the vent/heater components are the non AC system, then you gotta use the cable type control panel. IF it has the AC type system under the dash, then I believe you could stick with the vacuum controls on the AC control panel in the car.
BUT - if you want to be 100% as original, then you must go with the non AC configuration, meaning the cable type control panel & appropriate under-dash components.

Neil
Neil, I know the Green Hornet originally came with factory air conditioning as I have a copy of the GH's build sheet as it came from the factory. There is a big S under the "AIR CONDITION" column. This would explain the air conditioning control and the center vent that the car currently has. The removal of the compressor in the engine compartment I cannot explain, but, obviously without it the car doesn't have functioning AC.
As I am trying to make this tribute as accurate as possible i'm faced with the dilemma of:
1) building the car without AC and using the stock heater and controls
2) build the car with AC and using AC controls
3) build the car without the AC but use AC controls and have no heating/cooling function at all
4) build the car without the AC but use AC controls to work some type of heating/cooling system.

Obviously the most difficult is the 4th option...which of course is the route I really think I want to go with. This way it would mimic the look of the GH's current system and still be functional.
My challenge it appears is setting up a cable type system(as you mentioned) with the AC's controllers.
Wish me luck :)
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That would be fantastic if you could post a pic! I'll do some searching to see if there is a difference between the 289 and 390/428 pumps.
Thanks again!
"Stathy" here is the unit I have. It came from the car pictured at right after an engine swap... I have no idea if it's "correct" for GH or not, but it's yours for the taking :-) PM me with your address so we can see what it would cost to ship it to you. If not too bad, I'll do it at no cost.

I have mounting brackets & idler, but for 289...
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