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Old 05/26/2007, 08:15 PM   #1
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Gold Nugget Special Times Two

Janice came through with some pics of her "Gold Nugget Special"! The script seems to be in the traditional location for a GT/CS. Her car is identified as a "Gold Nugget Special" just as our car is. It is the same paint code as ours, but Paul's orginal registry denotes that they should be "anniversary gold" vice "sunlit gold." My car has the same color on the body and the tail light panel. A darker, richer, version of sunlit gold. Our car has Marchals, and hers has Lucas lights.

Now we have two cars that are within two days of build date that fit the comment by Lee Gray that cars were staged prior to the build of the of GT/CS's (page 29). Also they support the timeline in Paul's book on page 30. "February 17th through 20th" "Heavy GT/CS production to meet dealer's orders", "Special order "Nugget Gold" specials produced for Southern Oregon" and later connected to DSO 74 Seattle.

I believe that these two cars are "Gold Nugget Specials" a combination of the common "Gold Nugget" and the "GT/CS" option to jump start further sales of the GT/CS in the Northwest. Lee Gray mentioned that this happened. Here are two examples. I will post the Marti report for Janices's car tomorrow on the Marti report thread. It says the same thing as ours. "Gold Nugget Special"

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Old 05/26/2007, 10:21 PM   #2
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Old 05/27/2007, 12:19 AM   #3
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Thanks, Robert, for posting those photos!!

This is awesome! When I get my head above water (workwise) this coming week, I'll be able to comment better.

Next is a look at microfiche of the Seattle Times, and/or the P.I.'s automotive ads--for that period in '68--for a dealer or two selling the Gold Nugget Special--GT/CS!!

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Old 05/27/2007, 09:31 AM   #4
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Went through January 1 to March 31 1968. Page by page. No mention in these papers. I think I will send for April 1 through June 31 of 1968. There was not even a mention of the GT/CS cars in California. I did find several ads for the "Gold Nugget" Mustang for the Northwest. It was advertised earlier than 15 February, the debut of the GT/CS.

The interesting thing is we have 2 cars from 2 different dealers in DSO 74. Both are called Gold Nugget "Specials" by the Marti report. Dealer outfitted or ordered special?? The hunt continues, but I have shifted from "are they real" to "tell me they are not".

I will post the basic report for Janice's car today. I still have a contact from the now closed Smith Gandy Ford where my car was sold. He is out of town until June 5th. I have not pestered him fully, but he may lead me to something, although my first conversation with him revealed little. Of note he was very familar with the DSO code for his dealer. The Marti report for my car says the code from Smith Gandy Ford was "A004". He says that is incorrect. He stated that this code was wrong. I think he said that theirs was "A001". I truely belive him on this fact. So I am unsure whether the Marti report is correct and whether my car came from Smith Gandy Ford. He worked there in 1968 and worked at the dealer for many years in the front office. He knows his dealer ID number.

The fun continues Paul! Thanks for you help and support.

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Old 05/27/2007, 04:57 PM   #5
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I have posted the Marti report for Janice Brulc and Tom Shields car in the Marti report thread. It says "Gold Nugget Special" just like the Marti report for our car. Just for reference the following is word for word of the start of the second paragraph on page 24 of Paul's orignal registry.

“You could get a GT/CS in any standard Mustang color, including Anniversary Nugget Gold color (Code Y5) that some early GT/CS cars were painted , destined for Southern Oregon, still within DSO 72 with a few sent to Seattle DSO 74.”

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Old 05/27/2007, 09:58 PM   #6
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Hi Robert,

I'm confused or maybe I missed a thread somewhere on this.

Is your car and Janice's car a CS?

I don't see that as an option on the Marti Report.

Did the Gold Nugget Special override that?

EDIT: I guess I didn't read the information above thoroughly enough before - had done a quick scan previously. I'm curious now about what it's all about.

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Old 05/28/2007, 06:15 AM   #7
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As mentioned in a previous thread, I contacted Kevin Marti via email and he said "There was a Gold Nugget Special, but it had no connection with the California Special". You might want to check with him on what a "Gold Nugget Special" is from his data - It seems like he knows what one is. Casey

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Old 05/28/2007, 09:47 AM   #8
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An older thread titled "new member" (3 pages back) has alot about my quest to authenticate these 2 cars. What I have to go by is 2 cars built within 2 days of each other that fit the description of what Lee Gray said that happened in Paul's original book. Janice's car and our car. The existence of these cars is mentioned on pages 24, 30, and page 50 of GT/CS recognition guide.

The Gold Nugget was a NW promotion that actually debuted before the GT/CS. It was a plain 68 Mustang Coupe, painted Sunlit gold, with a black vinyl top, C stripe, black out louvered hood, and a special plaque on the dash with the name of the person that purchased the car. I have ads for these cars from the Seattle newspapers from January of 1968. I have lived in the Seattle area all my life and have inspected many of these cars up close. By the way my car and Janice’s car do not have any evidence of the nameplate on the dash. It was attached to the right side dash piece above the glove compartment. I guess I will post some of the ads for these cars for all to see.

If you have access to Paul Newitt’s first book you can read snippets on the above pages. Lee Gray told Paul they existed, but I guess it is a hard sell for some on this board (not you). Of note, The Marti report for our car is incorrect for the paint code according to the research by Paul in the 80’s. It should be “Anniversary Gold” not “Sunlit Gold”. This is also mentioned in Paul’s book on page 50. I had my car down to the original paint, and it was not Sunlit Gold. It was a deeper richer/brown version of Sunlit Gold. Side by side it is easy to notice.

There is a current thread on 4 speed owners. Don has found an error on his Marti report. I fully support his findings and to the best of my knowledge he is correct. I have talked to the sales manager who worked at Smith Gandy Ford in the late 60’s. He says the dealer code on my report is incorrect. I am unsure as to whether it came from that dealer at this point. Either the code is correct and the dealer name is wrong or vice versa. This guy had his dealer code in front of his face daily. I believe him.

It is very obvious that old records are a great source to work with, but they are not all encompassing. I am very careful when I discount the authenticity of any car. For heavens sake he or she could be the original owner or a car passed down through the family. My doctor in the 80’s and 90’s was a college student in Detroit and worked on the graveyard shift assembling engines for Ford. Rule one was the line did not stop!!! Rule 2 was put anything in that engine that was available. A stock 390 cam in a GT 390 motor. Stock pistons in a high performance engine or vice versa. When in doubt refer to rule 1!!!

Computer records and Ford order sheets are the best source when all else is not available. First hand crawling under examples of the car many times reveals more.

My search continues. By the way, look in my gallery. I have something going on with the holes for my script on the rear quarter panel. There is info on that in new member also. The earlier the car the more chance that it was not “factory” assembled. The first 14 cars at the February 15 debut I bet had all sorts of weird anomalies.

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Old 05/28/2007, 12:38 PM   #9
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Sorry if I missed it earlier but do we know how many Gold Nugget Specials were built? If not can we get that number from Kevin Marti?

Are the GN Specials included in the 4118 figure the same way the HC Specials are included?
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Rich,
An older thread titled "new member" (3 pages back) has alot about my quest to authenticate these 2 cars. ... The first 14 cars at the February 15 debut I bet had all sorts of weird anomalies.

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Hi Rob,

Thanks for the thorough reply. I read some of those threads but I've been behind and probably scanned a lot of things quickly and missed part of it.

I wasn't doubting you just wanted to understand the whole story.
Thanks for bringing me up to date and for the info.

I do have both of Paul's book, I have to go back a re-read those sections as well.

Good Luck in your quest! Always looking for new informationa and confirmation on anything that's available.

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Old 05/28/2007, 08:18 PM   #11
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525 Gold Nuggets were produced. I will post that ad. The weird thing is the connection between a few cars that were identified by Lee Gray as GT/CS/Gold Nugget combinations that he told Paul that were early and destined to jump start GT/CS sales in the Northwest. If it was just our car, I would doubt the connection as assembled. But we have 2 cars within 2 build dates of each other. You need to see the Marti report thread. I can guarentee you I have never met Janice or Tom. Tom Shields, according to Janice, went through alot of research to come up with the Anniversary Gold paint.

If Lee Gray would not of told Paul of the possibility of these cars I would dismiss it. I doubt that these cars were included in the orginal 4118 cars that have been identified. And I doubt that these cars were in Marti database as GT/CS cars. I feel that the early cars may have been "hand assembled" on the line. I know that sounds so far out of reach.

Maybe these cars were both hand assembled or dealer assembled. That is the quest I am on. I am not in this to profit and do not intend to sell this car. I have owned it since 1989. If Paul had not interviewed Lee Gray and he identified these cars existense, I would have no reason to explain this.

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Old 05/28/2007, 08:41 PM   #12
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Thanks again Rob!

I have to read up on this more now and get up to speed.

I have to go back and look at dates again too, I find it interesting they would be jump starting sales in the Northwest when the original intent was to only sell in California. I wonder if Ford planned on expanding outside of CA early on.

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The 525 number is for the gold coupes without the GT/CS parts, right; not for the "Gold Nugget Specials" like yours.

Since both cars show up on the Marti reports as "Gold Nugget Specials" they seem to have their own identity in Kevin's database. He might be able to perform a search on "Gold Nugget Special" and come up with a number.

This is a great thread. Another cool "Special" to research and search for.

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If Lee Gray would not of told Paul of the possibility of these cars I would dismiss it. I doubt that these cars were included in the orginal 4118 cars that have been identified. And I doubt that these cars were in Marti database as GT/CS cars.


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Old 05/29/2007, 04:37 PM   #14
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Thanks for you support on my quest. I have an ad from a Seattle newspaper from January of 1968. It is a Ford company ad not a dealer ad. It states "Only in the Northwest.... 525 Golden Nugget Limited Edition Mustangs". I took a pic yesterday, put it did not come out great. I will scan into a PDF and see if that is better. Arlie as you questioned the 525-production number is for the "Gold Nugget", or "Golden Nugget Limited Edition Mustang" as Ford called it in their ad. I am unsure whether a Marti report for one of these 525 would say "gold nugget" or "gold nugget special" like my report says. Kevin may be able to answer that, but according to Casey, Kevin says that my car does not exist.

The build dates are another mystery. On page 29 of Paul's original registry in the 5th paragraph down it talks about the wide discrepancy in build dates.

It states: “Actual production dates, (see page 53, no.8) often varied by several days to weeks, as this was a computer pre-assigned production date, and not necessarily the exact date. Reflected in the GT/CS Survey are very early cars dating from 21 December 1967 through January 29, 1968. It is likely that these cars were partially built, and on standby for GT/CS modification, or were just “late” cars. For example, one GT/CS in the Survey (page 54) was special ordered on April 28th, and delivered to the (dealer) and the customer by June 3rd. The cars production date was May 28th, one month from the day it was ordered by the dealer, and three days before actual delivery, which explains how production dates are pre-specified dates of completion, and can vary up to one month”.

This brings me to another thought. If the above is true, then cars may have been pre-staged and taken from the assembly line with the trunks and end caps off. Just standard coupes. Ford did the same thing with the early Shelby’s. Ford sent 1965 “K” code (hipo) 4 speed Fastbacks to Los Angeles with no hoods and such. Then they were finished. These late or staged cars may have all sorts of anomalous that are different from a Mustang destined to be a GT/CS from the start of assembly on the line during the height of GT/CS production. I will submit that the GT/CS’s in the February 15th debut, were very “hand assembled”. We already know that the script for the first 14 cars was hand made. And the position of the “California Script” on these cars is higher than the traditional location. Way down at the bottom of my first thread “new member” I discuss this. My car only has the original right rear quarter and in my gallery I show pictures of original holes I chose not to use. When I painted it I moved the script to the traditional location and installed a complete left rear quarter. Someone had butchered a partial panel on it before I got it.

All and all, I think any of the pre-stage cars that may have existed may not show correctly in Kevin’s database. They may have been destined as a plain coupe or golden nugget and converted after being pre-staged. I bet if you ran a report on the first 14 cars, they would not show as GT/CS’s.

It also intrigues me that none of these first 14 have surfaced! Especially, the ones on the stage during the debut. They must have ended up in the hands of some dealership executive or his wife. Someone must have one somewhere in California! Boy would that VIN and history answer a lot of questions!

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Old 05/30/2007, 05:24 AM   #15
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Robert, this last statement brings up an interesting way of looking at things. If the first 14 were not listed as GT/CS cars on the Marti, it could be very possible that an original (1 of 14) has been found, not verified by Marti and then condidered "just a really good clone" and sold or owned as such.

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