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Old 04/21/2007, 07:22 AM   #1
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GTCS side scoop question ???

I purchased a drivers side scoop from a websight that was suggested to me in the parts wanted section, but I may have to return it. The recessed screw holes are filled in (Flush) and when I held it up to the quarter panel it looked like it needs alot of modifications (trimed). The part numbers are written in the inside they read 58M3 (3 or 5) and 63290A77-B. Written with a black marker. Does anyone know if this was common for Ford to have hand fitted the scoops, and hand drill the recessed holes when being installed or should they already be hand fitted for quick installation? I am not sure if these are correct for a NOS part, could they have been a early repop from the 70's or 80's? Or are they a shelby scoop? Was there a difference between the two? It was advertized as a shelby or GTCS. If they need that much modification to fit I might be better off getting a repop for alot less money. The dealer was All Classic Mustang, N.D. I was told they are very repitable. But when it was shipped to me it came from a different vender Les Yeomans / Green Sales Company. Cincinnati, Ohio.

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Old 04/21/2007, 09:09 AM   #2
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It doesn't sound right to me. Is the fiberglass kind of a pinkish color? The originals should be, and not grey or white. Also look for the witness line, like in the link from the restoration section. If it's missing, it's probably a repop. Everything else being equal, if you're not SURE it's NOS I'd send it back.

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Old 04/21/2007, 09:10 AM   #3
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Can you explain what you meant by "recessed screw holes". Maybe a picture?

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Old 04/21/2007, 09:18 AM   #4
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It does not have a witness line, and what I mean about recessed hole is that the screws go in at a angle so when the screws go in they are set in the scoop a little ways. The color is green fiberglass, at this time I cannot send pictures but I can forward the email with the pictures I received.

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Old 04/21/2007, 09:41 AM   #5
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Kevin,

Sounds like a reproduction piece. Did you buy it as NOS?

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Old 04/21/2007, 10:31 AM   #6
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The "58M3" you see is not that number. It's "S8MS", which is a 1968 Shelby part number prefix.

I think if you can post a photo here on the thread (not a difficult thing to do), we can really help you out.

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Old 04/21/2007, 10:42 AM   #7
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Here are the pictures Kevin sent me of the "NOS" side scoop he purchased.

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Old 04/21/2007, 02:08 PM   #8
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I vote for reproduction, and not a very good one at that.

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Old 04/21/2007, 06:45 PM   #9
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Kevin,

Sounds like a reproduction piece. Did you buy it as NOS?

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Yes, I was told, and it was listed as a NOS. I will hopefully talk to JD on Monday about returning it.


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Old 04/21/2007, 08:08 PM   #10
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Yes, sorry to say, it's not an NOS piece. Not a very good repop, either.

Try to get a return/refund.

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Old 04/24/2007, 03:08 PM   #11
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I'm curious what JD says about the part. Can you post what happens?

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Old 04/24/2007, 03:24 PM   #12
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I'd like to throw out some food for thought on this subject. Wouldn't you guys worry about NOS scoops being too warped to fit. I mean 40 year-old fiberglass parts can't keep their shape very well, can they?

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Old 04/24/2007, 04:29 PM   #13
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some NOS parts were made up until the early 1990's.

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Old 04/25/2007, 07:05 PM   #14
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I shipped it back today, so it will take awhile for a refund. He was very nice about it and said he never seen them in person but thought the pictures he sent me was enough to confirm it. But being a rookie on the quality of the scoop, it was hard for me to judge from a picture. When I received it I could tell it wasn't right just by the look of it and the poor fit. Thats why I posted the question on how these were fitted from the factory when installed new. It would have taken alot of trimming and drilling. NO front screw holes at all. I'll be out the shipping but its better than a expensive shelf item to look at. Anyway thanks for all your help with the scoop, I will keep looking for the correct one or if anyone knows of a high quality repo. let me know.

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I shipped it back today, so it will take awhile for a refund. He was very nice about it and said he never seen them in person but thought the pictures he sent me was enough to confirm it. But being a rookie on the quality of the scoop, it was hard for me to judge from a picture. When I received it I could tell it wasn't right just by the look of it and the poor fit. Thats why I posted the question on how these were fitted from the factory when installed new. It would have taken alot of trimming and drilling. NO front screw holes at all. I'll be out the shipping but its better than a expensive shelf item to look at. Anyway thanks for all your help with the scoop, I will keep looking for the correct one or if anyone knows of a high quality repo. let me know.

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A high quality repro can be found at Rebel Mustang ... check it out:

http://www.californiaspecial.com/for...t=witness+line

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