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Old 01/07/2007, 12:53 PM   #1
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CS: YOUR Percentage of Mustang vs. Shelby

For my book, I'm devoting a chapter on "ownership", and would like to get some of your insights about what YOU think the GT/CS is.

I would like to know at what percentage you think the GT/CS (and/or the '68 HCS) is Mustang versus Shelby.

For example-- 60% Mustang/40% Shelby,
or 50% Mustang/50% Shelby, etc..etc.

I'd like more of your gut reaction about this, and your experiences with your CS. Not so much counting part-for-part how it shakes out, but just in how you feel about it. When I say "Shelby", I mean in context with Shelby Automotive's GT-350s and GT-500s, KRs, in 1968 (not like the 1965 "R" models, etc..)

This can also include your thoughts, loyalties, hopes, club affiliations, conversations, etc., about Mustangs vs. Shelbys, too--when making your percentage splits.

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Old 01/07/2007, 02:17 PM   #2
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My thoughts are that the GT/CS and the Shelby are 100% Mustang.

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Old 01/07/2007, 07:42 PM   #3
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Following the 80/20 rule. 80% Mustang, 20% Shelby.

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Old 01/07/2007, 08:30 PM   #4
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Following the 80/20 rule. 80% Mustang, 20% Shelby.
That sounds about right, although I'd give the true GT's a 60/40 and the 428's maybe a 40/60.

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Old 01/07/2007, 08:37 PM   #5
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100% Ford Mustang with 20% Shelby influence. So I guess I would agree with P51 and invoke the 80/20 rule.

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Old 01/08/2007, 11:18 AM   #6
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First off I'd have to say I side with Joe. 100% Mustang. Now on the other hand being that I'm located in the Central United States and the reactions I get from folks that actually see my CS here I'd have to say 80% Shelby. Everybody that see's the rear of the car automatically assumes it's a Shelby. That again show's that not many are educated on actual Shelby production or GT/CS production but, have come to recognize the car based on the tail section which is 100% Shelby. Based on the fact that I'm originally from California and have always known about these cars my gut feeling is to give it a 90% Mustang and 10% Shelby split. Now that this disortation is done, I can go back to sleep.

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Old 01/08/2007, 12:33 PM   #7
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LOL, Don! Geesch! I didn't mean to mess with people's heads! OUCH!

I think I said in one of my books :"The nameplate says Mustang, the Spirit is Shelby, and the feeling is definately "California".

Would you say that is an accurate assessment?

I know we've hashed this out a millions times; worse than a family tree argument at Thanksgiving!! LOL!! But--I'm sensing that owners prefer to side a little more with the Mustang (clubs, image, history), than with the Shelby side (high perf., looks, clubs, etc.).

The ironic part of this, like Don pointed out, is that folks that see the cars, think they are Shelbys, and at some car shows, they get "more attention" than other HP cars, including some Shelbys of the same period.

I don't want to wear this out (again! LOL!), but I just wanted some reactions from owners. This is good for my book, since i want to talk about what it's like to own a GT/CS, and what your personal experience has been like all these years. This is important, because the time frame from about 1969-2006 is a huge part of the GT/CS History. Your experience matters.

thanks again--I appreciate your thoughts.
--let's hear more!!

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Old 01/08/2007, 12:48 PM   #8
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40% Shelby for 3 reasons:

1. Influence of Fred Goodell (Shelby Chief Engineer) on making it happen. He is on record as having said "Sure I did" when asked if he helped make the GT/CS happen - he said the GT/CS came from Little Red, and that he offered all the 68 shelby parts for Ford to make it. He also is on record that the Green Hornet was built from a GT/CS

2. The 1968 literature refers to the GT/CS as "inspired by Shelby", and other such terms. (I even have one original article that interestingly critiques the GT/CS (harshly I might add) and says the CS should stand for Caroll Shelby, and not California Special - as it was a Mustang coupe with Shelby parts on it).

3. In the mid-west most people recognize my GT/CS in the same class and shows as the Shelby's. At Shelby shows I get as much, or more, people coming over to see my unique car.

The rest is 60% Mustang. Casey

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Old 01/08/2007, 12:52 PM   #9
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I think other than the 65 R model all Shelby mustangs are 80% mustang 20% shelby. the GT/CS HCS is 85/15.
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Old 01/08/2007, 01:05 PM   #10
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Quote:
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I think I said in one of my books :"The nameplate says Mustang, the Spirit is Shelby, and the feeling is definately "California".

Would you say that is an accurate assessment?

Paul N.
In answer to your question... "Yes, yes, and yes".

Drive down CA highway 1 in your GT/CS with the Beach Boys playing and I imagine its pretty close to actually being in 1968...

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Old 01/08/2007, 02:54 PM   #11
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I think other than the 65 R model all Shelby mustangs are 80% mustang 20% shelby
Great point! Simple and succinct. I think it solves many Shelby influence discussions! Casey

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Old 01/08/2007, 03:27 PM   #12
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Paul;
I agree with you 100%. With that said, that is one of the reasons I pushed for several years to get a company to do a diecast model of the CS. Hopefully, those out there unfamiliar with the CS will see the diecast, buy one because of the uniqueness and also learn some history on the CS from the box. I know several folks were I work wanted one when they saw mine that I took into work. First words out of their mouth "WOW, what is that". I know everytime I drive my car to work, people have actually come out of the building just to get a better look at the car. As was said by Paul earlier, we have talked about this numerous times and I think it's great. It's neat to see how we as owners actually look at our cars.

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Old 01/08/2007, 04:41 PM   #13
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Paul,
In 1969 when I was 8 years old and living in Redondo Beach, CA, I watched a candle-apple red CS drive by on Catalina Ave and for me the most distinctive part of the car that I recall today was the duck-tail trunk lid. I asked my dad what kind of car that was and he didn't say Mustang or Shelby; his answer was "Son, that's a California Special!" For me that was a defining moment and to this day the CS has always been a "California Special"; unique and different from the Shelby and Mustang. For those of you who have had the honor and privilege to own one of these magnificent vehicles, the debate of what the ratio is of mustang/shelby is moot...it's 100% California Special!
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Old 01/08/2007, 06:05 PM   #14
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Paul,
Growing up in rural North Dakota, you were lucky to see a Mustang. I never heard of a California Special until 1992 when I laid eyes on one here in Colorado. When I asked what it was, the gentleman said it was a California Special. He then stated that people called them "A poor mans Shelby". Regardless I have always put them in there own class and have always refered to them, as Rick stated, a "California Special". But if its numbers your after I would have to say 60% Mustang 40% Shelby.

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Old 01/08/2007, 06:53 PM   #15
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Here is a link to a thread where this has been discussed before. We all have different views on this.
http://www.californiaspecial.com/for...ead.php?t=2318

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